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Johnnie Moore is a marketing consultant and facilitator based in London. As well as 20 years of marketing experience he's trained in psychotherapy, NLP and Improv. Find out more at his blog.

Andrew Lark's more than 18 years experience of all facets of marketing, branding, sales and communications spans technology, Internet, telecommunications and consumer sectors. There he has led award-winning programs and teams for brands such as Dell, Sony, SBC, IDSoftware, Nortel, Microsoft and Sun. He is a thought leader and innovator on the convergence of brands, communications and social networking technologies. Find out more at his blog.

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John Winsor is the author of Beyond the Brand: Why Listening to the Right Customers is Essential to Winning in Business and the Founder/CEO of Radar Communications, a consumer-centric consultancy. You can find out more about him at Beyond the Brand.

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March 01, 2005

Won’t Anybody Listen?

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Posted by John Winsor

I’m bummed! A year and a half ago I signed up for the Premium Listener program at Audible.com. At the time, I was stoked to listen to a few books on my iPod. It seems however, between writing and traveling, I wasn’t downloading the two books a month that came with the subscription.

So, a year ago I tried to cancel my subscription. I went to the Audible website and did everything they asked me to only to find a $19.95 charge on my credit card the following month. I finally picked up the phone and called. After the usual 5 minute wait I talked to a fairly responsible sounding person who said they’d take care of it.

Five nights ago my wife, Bridget, leaned over and said “What’s this charge on our credit card for $19.95 from Audible?” It seems that the friendly customer service representative didn’t, in fact, do what he said he’d do! So much for building trust.

Being in Mexico writing, phone calls are a bit expensive so I went back online to Audible’s site and was promised a fast and courteous response in 48 hours.

So, here I am 5 days later, out 240 bucks and no one to listen to me.

Hello, I’m a Customer. Is anybody home? I used to think your service was pretty cool. Now I’m starting to get bad!

Forget about co-creating, how about doing what you promised or at least sending an auto-response to my email!

Is Audible, and many other brands for that matter, too busy to listen to their customers? Are they really ready for the power shift that’s happening? Before companies, like Audible, can ever think about improving their products and services with the help of delighted customers they might want to think about creating satisfied customers first.

We’re living in lumpy times in the Brandsphere! Welcome to the Wild West.

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1. Steve Portigal on March 1, 2005 08:07 PM writes...

I had Comcast billing me for someone else's cable service (it's complex - it involves me moving and the old account not being properly closed out), and blowing off my first request for help (a few days later I got a phone message with no callback number from someone that says "we understand you are reporting illegal use of your credit card [I was not] - contact your credit card company."

I finally called again, and contacted Wells Fargo. Wells Fargo was able to stop payment on the most recent charge - but have a response to anything more than six months old (some of this was - yes, I do NOT fine-tooth-comb my bank statement - at least I didn't). Comcast did finally acknowledgement this was an issue, but has not followed up. When I contacted them by email they said they had information but they wouldn't give it to me until I call.

It has been many many months and they've done nothing except stop the erroneous withdrawals. Isn't this identity theft or fraud or some other horrible buzzword? I don't know; Comcast isn't saying much.

I am honestly so stressed out by this - it's so incredibly frustrating to have a company taking money out of your bank [without permission - I MOVED and signed up for a new billing service at my new address and told them I was moving and they dealt with my old account - just not the autopay] and then neither them nor the bank takes it seriously enough to resolve.

If you make a complaint and are told that they need time to investigate and resolve, wouldn't it be great if they actually followed up with you?

Anyway, the stress and frustration have led me to avoid calling.

I haven't even written about it; it reveals too much of my own powerlessness to feel safe in retelling.

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2. john winsor on March 1, 2005 11:12 PM writes...

I think you hit the nail on the head, Steve. It's the powerlessness that a company creates in a customer that becomes the fuel for their undoing. Powerlessness, eventually, becomes a powerful motivator.

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3. Johnnie Moore on March 2, 2005 05:40 AM writes...

I think companies should be made to deal with complaint calls in the same queue as sales calls. So you don't get to take people's money any faster than dealing with complaints.

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4. Dustin on March 2, 2005 10:47 AM writes...

Wasn't it Sprint PCS that implemented a cue that prioritized large revenue customers ahead of small revenue customers? Seems like that didn't last long, if I remember correctly.

Cox Communications has a TV ad running right now that shows a customer being made "King" because of the features he gets with his cable service. Doubt he would feel that way if he called their support line.

Too many companies would give up their customers to get their kingdom, but our mantra should be, "My kingdom for a customer."

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5. Bruce DeBoer on March 3, 2005 09:29 AM writes...

John,
Funny you should write about Audible. I've been a customer for almost 3 years. I listen in the gym mostly but also in the car. Nearly 100 books later, I tried to order one last month which they told me I already owned - thus blocking me from the purchase. I looked on my harddrive and in my on-line archive with no luck. I still wanted to buy the book.

I wrote 3 e-mails to their "customer service" (in quotes to show sarcasm) with no response, not even an auto generated one. I also remember getting receipts for purchases which have since stopped (yup - check my account info for errors). Sounds like you aren't the only one having Audible issues.

This is so basic to good business that it's shocking to me. My first response must be that they are overwhelmed rather than incompitent but honestly, that's no excuse for poor business management.

I think we should all send them Tom Peter's tapes from the late 80's - I'll bet they have them in the catalog - Ya think?

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6. john winsor on March 3, 2005 09:34 AM writes...

Bruce-

That's great! Maybe we should also suggest that the executives of Audible try using their own service, as well. Then they might be able to understand what's going on.

John

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7. john winsor on March 3, 2005 09:57 AM writes...

Bruce-

You inspired me. I googled Audible's CEO and found out it was Donald R. Katz. I thought I'd send Donald an invitation to particpate on BrandShift. Here's my email:

Dear Donald,

We're having an interesting conversation about Audible on the BrandShift blog, www.corante.com/brandshift/. It would be great if you could participate.

Thanks,

John

John Winsor
CEO/Founder Radar Communications
Author, Beyond the Brand

I also cced Jonathan Korzen, Audible's Director of PR. I'll keep you up to date about Donald's response.

Thanks for the inspiration!

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8. Bruce DeBoer on March 3, 2005 10:31 AM writes...

J - I followed your lead. Here's my letter to Jonathan Korzen with a CC to Donald Katz.
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Dear Jonathan,
John Winsor and I connected on an interesting point this morning that involves Audible.com. Below is a copy of John’s e-mail to your CEO but I would also like to invite you to participate in a stimulating marketing conversation on the BrandShift blog:
http:// www.corante.com/brandshift/

Sincerely,
Bruce DeBoer
Synthesis
Director of Marketing

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9. john winsor on March 3, 2005 10:38 AM writes...

Thanks, Bruce! Let's see what happens. Stay tuned.

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10. jim on March 3, 2005 11:59 AM writes...

LMAO! We offer a service to help co's like Audible prevent these problems. In fact, I called on them several times to no avail. Each time I got the party line - we have excellent customer service.

It is always interesting to know that what upper management thinks and believes is usually the opposite of what really takes place in the every day operations of the business.

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11. john winsor on March 4, 2005 12:44 AM writes...

I agree Jim, there is a big disconnect.

To make things more fun, I've started the "Audible Response Time Counter" located in the upper right-hand corner of my blog, Beyond the Brand(a link is located in my profile to the left), to keep track of how long it takes for Audible to respond to my email.

I'm also running a little contest. If you can guess how long it will take for them to respond I'll send you a copy of my book, Beyond the Brand.

Bruce, have you heard anything?

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12. Bruce DeBoer on March 4, 2005 12:22 PM writes...

I've heard nothing. I'm betting we don't hear anything. Failures like this would keep me from buying stock in an otherwise good company. Know what I mean?

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13. john winsor on March 4, 2005 12:38 PM writes...

If I had some Audible shares, I'd be selling.

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14. Steve Portigal on March 10, 2005 07:45 PM writes...

Here's a followup to my earlier comment about Comcast
http://www.corante.com/brandshift/archives/2005/03/01/wont_anybody_listen.php#19662

After posting my tale of woe (the abbreviated version) in the comments here, intermediary parties brought my message to the attention of a regional Comcast VP who contacted the the credit department.

I had some idea this might have happened but wasn't sure at all what the deal was until today I got a call from a lively knowledgable Comcast employee who called to let me know he was working on it and would get back to me later today! He knew the whole story, he understood what had happened and why from their side of things such a mistake was made. He called back about 4 hours later and arranged to credit my account for the missing money.

I asked him about how to resolve this more easily in the future - he gave me his direct number and explained how and why the regular 800 number folks wouldn't be able to handle such a request.

I certainly can't hold him responsible for the overall company problems, and it's great that I have a channel to resolve any of my future problems, but in general, what are their customers supposed to do?

I'm struck by the power of high-profile forums like this one to attract the attention of corporate folks who can intervene to politely, intelligently, sincerely and honestly resolve ordinary customer service problems. But how long will this be an effective way of doing it?

Hey, I'm thrilled to have this resolved; it was one of the most stressful customer service problems I've experienced in recent years, but the system is still broken.

This is obviously a bigger thought, but anyway, wanted to share the positive results with readers here...

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15. Steve Portigal on March 15, 2005 12:35 PM writes...

This is a neat little article
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/15/nyregion/15annoyances.html?ex=1268542800&en=5a77805b2fcc1e66&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
about the types of responses people have to the annoyances in life - sort of addresses my powerless comment earlier, sure the behavior seems very passive agressive but it may lead to some feelings of resolution even if the result isn't exactly a total solution.

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